I’m not a member of any church (though I admit to a firm belief in the Divine Toothsomeness of the Dinosaur Gods, may they loll ever peacefully beside the Pierian Watering-Hole) and I don’t agree with the Catholic view of contraception or family planning any more than most liberals. It seems to me that the Church speaks in metaphysical absolutes about the sanctity of life (which is understandable) and then supports policies that end up diminishing that sanctity. The Church’s leaders believe life is sacred, so they should approach the matter of how and why children are brought into the world with common sense: common sense and the sacred need each other more than either would care to admit. Still, I think it best to make that point with due respect for a man who is revered by millions as il santo papa.
As I grow older, I grow less patient with arguments extolling the merits of reason and human self-sufficiency as opposed to the alleged irrationalist abyss of religion. Perhaps it is true, as Tennyson says, that “Our little systems have their day, / They have their day and cease to be,” but I also have great regard for the lines that follow: “They are but broken lights of Thee, / And Thou, O Lord, art more than they.” It’s the spiritual principle that matters; it’s the willingness to put kind hearts before coronets, as his verse goes: to privilege decency and generosity over rank and lust for material things. The forms and rules are helpful only if they advance the principle, in my view. All of this is pure Carlyle – yes, George Costanza’s “Tommy C” – but there’s something to be said for believing in belief, even if (as an irate reader once wrote of Carlyle’s own ranting prose) it leads us into the wilderness and leaves us there.
Now on to the lamentable case of the “perceived lesbians.” Wilde wrote that Jesus’ greatest cause for sorrow was that so few people ever understood a word he said. Well, to adapt a Blake verse, “A fool sees not the same Jesus as a wise man sees.” Anyhow, the problem permits of a solution, even if it isn’t a happy one: the parents of the two girls will most likely come around to the conviction that it would be a mistake to want their kids to remain students at the school in question. If the school isn’t taking public money, I don’t see how the state can force it to accept or even overlook beliefs or practices most of its members probably find abhorrent. I think the school is behaving in a bigoted and harmful manner, but forcing it to change its admissions and retention policy won’t change hearts: “those convinced against their will are of the same opinion still.” It would be different if we were dealing with a public school, or even a private country club that discriminated against minorities or gays without the veil of metaphysics to hide the nakedness of its ignorance. It’s true as Octo says that there’s a line to be drawn here: a church can’t abuse children, sacrifice puppy dogs, etc. – if they break the law, the offending parties can be prosecuted. Of course, what we’re dealing with here is the combustible mix of alternative sexuality and religious tenets, so that complicates things.
Perhaps the parents have learned a painful lesson about the belief system of the church to which they had given their allegiance (if indeed they were members – I’m not familiar with the particulars of the case and am therefore treating it in a general, hypothetical manner): if they were members, they should now be able to see how that system impacts people close to them, so it’s high time to put the girls in a more congenial school where they will not risk persecution or ostracism for what they either are or are “perceived” to be. I am very friendly to religion, but one feature of some religious communities is their tendency to define themselves by a process of exclusion: strict rejection of anyone who doesn’t hew to their notions and standards. There is room for the rejected to challenge the rejecters—else is no progress ever made—but I wouldn’t advise making a couple of children run such a gauntlet: I’d leave it to adults who know what they’re in for when they try to broaden minds.
The unfortunate side-effect of this kind of solution is that it encourages the perpetuation of sealed-off, self-defining communities. But there’s not much one can do about that in the short run. Jesus told his disciples to “shake the dust off their feet” when they ran into people who outright disrespected them; parents in such a bad situation might do well to follow that example.
Bloggingdino, point is well taken. Religion does have that property of exclusivity and at least an implied right to assert authority over religious doctrine. One cannot “secularize” an institution that is considered “sacred” in nature. Freedom to choose a different denomination is also a valid argument.
ReplyDeleteBut what of those scandals surrounding the predatory pedophiles within churches who have carefully insinuated themselves into positions of trust? Gradually, over a period of years, they leave permanently damaged children in their wake. In too many cases, a veil of secrecy and protection descends. The predator's own church appoints itself judge and jury. The perpetrator is deemed sick, and sent off for in-house "treatment." The truth is never made public. And when some secret tribunal decides a cure has been achieved, the perpetrator's rights and privileges are restored, and the predator is recycled into an unsuspecting community … cloaked with a protection no other sex offender enjoys.
In my view, government has an obligation to protect all citizens, and there is no right of church authority to supervene that obligation … as events have demonstrated.
Returning to the issue of an underage child alleged to be a lesbian: Since the child is below the age of majority, the issue is not one of alleged behaviors or future partnering choice, it is another example of emotional abuse … a child who has been labeled, condemned, and scarred for life, whose innocence has been despoiled by protectors of the monolith. That is what I find so offensive.
I find it very hard to find my spiritual bearings when I see so much cruelty done in the name of religion.
Octo, my comment about "exclusivity" wasn't meant as praise of the tendency. I don't see it as an excuse for shielding clergy who break laws by which everyone in the U.S must live. As for the issue about the girls, yes, it is sad -- I just don't see how the parents are going to change the minds of bigoted people; those people will only become even more self-righteous in proffering some hopeless misreading of the scriptures (or at any rate a grotesquely disproportionate emphasis on a small number of verses). But removing the kids from a toxic environment should work wonders for them.
ReplyDeleteThe separation of church and state was not intended to exclude religious organizations from obeying the laws of the land. The priests and preachers should not be tried in civil court but criminal court and perhaps there would be less "protection" of these grotesque excuses for human beings if those who helped hide their crimes were indicted for being accessories.
ReplyDeleteAs for the "perceived" lesbians or any other children that don't meet the criteria - whatever it is, I certainly hope their parents have enough sense and fortitude and love for their children to pull them out of the school AND disengage from worship with the religious entity.
We ourselves can fight this kind of medival harrassment by speaking up loudly and boldly in support of those whose lives are marginalized by their proclivities.
removing the kids from a toxic environment should work wonders for them
ReplyDeleteThis might be the case if we better understood the cycle of cruelty and abuse heaped upon children, and later consequences as "adult children" direct their "inner" wounds upon others as a form of retaliation. Perpetrators of abuse do not incriminate their abusers, even when consciously aware of what had happened to them as children. What I am suggesting are forms of systemic abuse that parents, clergy, and public institutions do not even regard as abusive ... like the close correlation between abuse and politics.
Stephen Mitchell -- I believe that's the same man who did a particularly wonderful translation of the Gita.
ReplyDelete"there’s something to be said for believing in belief"
ReplyDeleteA second degree of separation from reason? For some perhaps a third, since so few believe without being told what to believe by someone with something to gain from it.
Beautifully written, even for a dinosaur. For my part I have no respect for religion at all, but that's not to say I don't respect people, religious or not, to at least the minimum extent required by humanity.
I was trying out a new TV antenna on my boat yesterday and I picked up a religious station whereon someone was booming out stentorian threats about how God kills people who complain. Is this what Jesus is all about? Threats of hell and eternal damnation, threats of violent punishment in the real world, threats of the inescapable nature of sin -- it's all abuse from my point of view.
My problem is not with religion. It's with the religious who think it is their divine right to decide if I am in good standing with God. Paul said it is by the grace of God that you are saved. That means it's nobody elses damn business.
ReplyDeleteBloggingdino, a wee bit of clarification. I hope you were not left with the impression that I am hostile to religion. Born into one, I tried others but then let my subscription lapse. As a one-time student of literature, I retained an appreciation for myth and symbolism in our most pious acts (if I retained anything at all).
ReplyDeleteThe part I get stuck on is the abuse and cruelty thing, not just in terms of religious doctrine but across a spectrum of human misdeeds. There is simply no more mud-squiggle room ... or future ... in it.
"Paul said it is by the grace of God that you are saved. That means it's nobody elses damn business."
ReplyDeleteAmen to that. It would be a better world is we could leave each other alone in such matters. It rarely happens for long though - maybe it's impossible.
Of course "Paul said" means little more than "Nietzsche said" to me, but I'll mind my own business here :-)
Octo,
I think that an appreciation for myth and symbolism has little to do with being religious or anti-religious. It usually seems impossible for the true believer to comprehend his pet myths as myths or to distinguish between the symbol and what belief requires it to symbolize.
I can appreciate the history behind the Attis cult or Mithras and the Bull of Heaven myth without having to be dead certain that a piece of bread becomes Jesus if I eat it.
I have to agree with Luther that reason is the most dangerous enemy of belief and I think it works both ways, even if it feels good to believe.
Captain, I was just trying to assuage our mighty Dino who should never be messed with.
ReplyDeleteUnfortunately, here is another head-banger: The Compassion Capital Fund (CCF) is the so-called “faith-based initiative” created under the Bush dictatorship. The new economic stimulus bill contains a $100 million funding provision targeting the CCF. Now is the time to dismantle the program (or at least demand that $100 million be removed from the bill as it goes before the Senate).
We should remove the intersection between Church and State streets.
Rocky - what an interesting comment - simply put - you are right - separation of state was never intended to imply separation of church from state law.
ReplyDeleteA subtly lost on some church organizations?
Indeed.
Yes, Squid, isn't it weird that government agencies take all those kids out of that compound do to abuse accusations but you don't see that same sort of concern when it's a priest or more main stream preacher.
ReplyDeleteWhile I think the government should stay out of religion and visa versa, when the law of the land is violated (along with children) then all bets are off.
Octo, no I didn't take anything you said as hostile to religion. By the way, I wonder if anyone is familiar with the Council for Secular Humanism site -- they have an archive of essays on various issues. I'm not entirely sympathetic to the movement since, as I wrote in my earlier post, I haven't much faith in reason these days (pun intended), but some of the essays are thoughtful.
ReplyDeletefaith in reason
ReplyDeletePerhaps an oxymoron too, sorta?