Tuesday, May 19, 2009
On Libertarianism
Since some have been discussing the Ron Paul phenomenon, I thought I might add a few thoughts about the general direction from which they are coming. Libertarianism is something I was introduced to as a kid, and since that time I've become much acquainted with this movement's philosophical roots. At base, as I see things, they're supporters of a relatively unhistoricized, idealistic version of capitalism that considers "the free market" pretty much the answer to all problems.
On the one hand, I find it odd that some people think you can apply economic notions from centuries ago (before the Industrial Revolution even got going – Adam Smith published The Wealth of Nations in 1776) without any significant modification. That is naïve, and it ought to be clear that an amoral system such as "the market" cannot be the answer to all problems, even though it works remarkably well in some areas of life. Most of us, I suspect, would insist that ethics must sometimes supplement pure economics – if capitalism doesn't ensure that everybody has access to good health care, for instance, some other set of values must be invoked to make sure people get access to it. A lot of things can be adequately dealt with by saying that money and property are their measure, but some of the most vital things in life cannot. If you tried to extend the market philosophy and system to everything, I fear, you would end up with something more like a Hobbesian state of nature than a truly civilized society – one in which everybody recognizes that there's something more valuable about human connections than is implied by the transitory "cash-nexus" that makes capitalism go.
As the free-marketeers suggest, charitable concern for our fellows can be monetized or commoditized to some extent, but it probably cannot be sufficiently commoditized so as to ensure genuine civility. That's no doubt an indictment of us all, but the question is "what kinds of social and political forms will encourage people to behave humanely towards one another?" And I'm suggesting that while unmodified capitalist economics may generate wealth for a considerable number of people, it shows little regard for ensuring that everybody has the basics of life. So it needs supplementation from values beyond its own reserves if it is to help us live well.
On the other hand, some of what libertarians believe is worthy of admiration – they are among the few people around, it seems, who believe that except in very extreme cases likely to cause harm to all, it's none of their business what others are up to in the areas of sexuality, drug use, and so forth. What a breath of fresh air in comparison to a certain element (unfortunately, it appears to be just about the only one left at present) within the Republican Party that thinks we can wiretap, torture, render, surveil and moralize our way to nirvana. Such people confound religion and politics to the point where they become indistinguishable, and apparently have no problem supporting even the most extreme "statist" measures. The libertarians oppose such impositions, and for that I think they deserve some regard; perhaps the better side of this philosophy will become a source of regeneration within the Republican Party.
Finally, the problem I see with the libertarian philosophy remains a big one: the good and the bad may be inextricable since libertarian defenses of individual freedom are deeply bound up with their understanding of competition, wealth, and property. Their social philosophy stems from their economic philosophy, and the latter seems unrealistic and very likely to produce unintended consequences of a destructive and destabilizing kind.
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bloggingdino - I so love when you weigh in on an issue. I learn so much! Being part of the Swash Zone amongst such intelligent, knowledgable bloggers (all of you) is something I am very grateful for.
ReplyDeleteI wonder why all these different factions want to continue to hold on to the free market concept when it is so obviously not working.
Do all these people seriously want to toss the less fortunate under the bus and forget about them?
It seems that, regardless of which party is pontificating, they can't seem to grasp how interconnected and inter-dependent all aspects of society are and that how we deal with them speaks volumes about what kind of people we are.
When the Dino speaks, it's wise to listen. I'd have a hard time adding to or detracting from any of the above except to note that too much of the Libertarian arguments refer back to the hypothesis when challenged and not to any historical answers, unless they're fictitious.
ReplyDeleteThere's too much evidence that free markets are not reliably self-regulating or that they can regulate only at the expense of periodic chaos and suffering. We hear loud proclamations that food and drugs don't need to be monitored for safety -- the market will do it. Yes, but at the endless cost of innocent life.
I confess to libertarian sentiments, but I think a society with too minimal a government may be as bad as one with too much. Its just like an engineering choice between stability and manouverability - there is a middle path, but all we hear is extremism and untested hypotheses.
Why thank you, Rocky – that is kind of you. When an allosaurus weighs in, it weighs in at around 3,000 dbs (dinodupoids -- well, about 3,200 at present, I'm sorry to say). I enjoy your posts too. I think the beauty of capitalism for its true believers lies in the apparent simplicity of the main principle as set forth by Adam Smith: we can harness the otherwise selfish and contradictory desires of individuals for the greater good of an entire society. Smith wrote as a man of the Scottish Enlightenment and more or less in opposition to absolutism and mercantilism, so he was making great sense for the times. Neither, I suppose, was he naïve about human nature. It's some of his latter-day followers who strike me that way. As Capt. Fogg (hello to whom) says, if you challenge today's libertarians, they will usually refer you back to the original hypothesis rather than respond to your experience-based question. Ron Paul is a refreshing fellow to listen to since he is respectful of democratic values and the liberty of all people to do as they wish so long as they don't interfere with others. (I hear that his son is running for the Senate, by the way. Looks a lot like his dad and talks the same way.) He also doesn't seem to be in the company of the mean-spirited, pro-capitalist caricatures we can find in the pages of Dickens – he isn't Mr. Bounderby, that great despiser of all things decent, refined, or even respectable. I don't think he would grin sadistically as the widow drops down in the lane from typhus and infects her fellow citizens, or when her orphan is cast into the nearest snowbank. But I also believe his faith in "the market" to help the widow and the orphan is less than well-founded. The market would just as well grind them both into a fine past, mix said paste with some melamine, and sell the result as pet food: didn't someone in the mob used to say, "Eff 'em up and confuse 'em – they'll never know the difference"? Not everybody is as fine a bloke as Dr. Paul and his son, and Herr Doktor Marx, that old grinch, was right that Kapitalismus tends to monopoly, not economic equilibrium or social harmony. Probably the people who can tend such a system best are the ones who don't really "believe the hype" about it. That's what the Democrats and the British Labor Party are for, no? Onward Democrat Socialist Party Animals!
ReplyDeleteThank you, Bloggingdino, for this incredible post. I hope you don't mind; your faithful 8pus felt inspired to contribute a graphic. When ink fails, camouflage is the default condition among cephalopods. I tried to interpret your words visually as best I can.
ReplyDeleteMost welcome to my simple-lizard musings, Octo -- the graphic looks spiffy: Lenin, Lennon and Paul now open for business.
ReplyDeleteI think that the true value of Ron Paul and his libertarian movement (and I did hear his son speak recently as he is running for the senate in Kentucky) is that while his argument is almost quite similar to most of what passes for 'conservatism' today he has absolutely NO support among conservatives. Why? Because what passes today for 'lower taxes and less government' is actually slang for 'screw you and don't touch mine' or greed and self centeredness.
ReplyDeleteI believe that Ron Paul assumes a CIVIL society as the basis for his libertarianism while conservatives could care less.
Some of my favorite bloggers are Libertarian. While I have no doubt about their sincerity and intellect, I feel Libertarianism, and Conservatism to a large extent, appeal because of their simplistic nature. It's easy to say "let the market take care of it" and get a bunch of people nodding in agreement. But the reality is our social, legal and government systems are complicated because they are complicated institutions. We learned from reagan and even more painfully from W that offering meaningless one liners, ignoring blatant criminal behavior and hoping "the free market" will solve everything, solves nothing and makes things worse.
ReplyDeleteExcellent post Dino Man.
There is, unfortunately, a large cross-section of the "libertarian" self-description that engages in Teh Wacky™. It's not a far step from a Federal Reserve conspiracy to anti-Semitism and ravings about the Illuminati. Paul's weakness is that very many of his supporters also show up at UFO conventions.
ReplyDeleteSuch a thoughtful post, Dino. Much to ponder. However - all of these governing theories aside - it seems to me that the component that can not be regulated by any of them is human nature - which is not always positive. I am not trying to be cynical like Marx - well, maybe I am - but the history of our country - hell - the history of the world - has shown that every form of government - in its idealistic state - ultimately falls prey to human nature.
ReplyDeleteAnd it is this human nature that allows its fellow humans to suffer - no matter the theoretical excuse or rationale. Socialism, capitalism, communism, dictators, etc - all have unforgivable portions of their populations living in despair and want.
Squid: "the history of the world - has shown that every form of government - in its idealistic state - ultimately falls prey to human nature"
ReplyDeleteOctopus: "Thats because human beings are condescended from apes."