Say first of God above, or man below,
What can we reason, but from what we know?
-Alexander Pope-
What can we reason, but from what we know?
-Alexander Pope-
Of course those of the Age of Reason had no idea of the size of the universe and the English language has no word to describe just how much bigger the visible universe is in comparison. Indeed they did know that it wasn't as the ancients thought: our floating planet covered by a rotating bowl with lights affixed, above which gods lived -- a bowl so close that it was possible for bronze age people to reach it by building a tower. Intimations they had, that a universe vast enough to include other suns, other worlds, could not have been designed to be a place for humans; a place for humans to dominate; a place designed for no other purpose.
Ask for what end the heavenly bodies shine,
Earth for whose use? Pride answers, 'Tis for mine
The Anthropic Principle suggests otherwise. As Steven Hawking says, it simply states that the suitability of Earth for life on Earth is self explanatory: any form of intelligent life that evolves anywhere will automatically find that it lives somewhere suitable for it. If existence wasn't created for us, that's one less ineffable mystery that needs to be dressed up in godlike robes.
Indeed, 16th century astronomer Jerome Wolf wrote to Tycho Brahe that the "infinite size and depth of the Universe" ( if only he knew how close to infinite it is) was the greatest danger to Christianity. Fortunately for that enterprise, most today still haven't grasped that size and what it says about the irrelevance of Human values and indeed the importance of anything to do with us.
What we've come to know about the nature of reality; about what the meaning of is is, has presented us with a landscape more vast and more inaccessible to the public grasp than is the 14 billion light year fraction of what is that we can see. There are whole dimensions that we can't see and can't come close to comprehending and what we can see and comprehend is little more than the shadows in Plato's cave. That everything in this infinite universe can be attached to a two dimensional membrane floating in 11 dimensional space/time requires more than fasting, chanting, meditation and drugs to become apparent keeps reality well out of the reach of all of us. Certain conclusions about it however, are hard to avoid without avoiding the entire question of just why is is. To my admittedly limited mind, questions of creation, of entities involved with creation, entities beyond the properties of matter and energy and dimension and in what places they exist, are absurd. Isn't it absurd to discuss the number of angels that can dance on a pinhead without being able to ascribe any characteristics or properties necessary to their existence? And of course we cannot without dragging them into a place of scrutiny, which is impossible.
Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatum
Said old William, hundreds of years before the Enlightenment; don't create entities if you don't have to, yet we're still doing it. We're still creating creators, plugging the ever narrowing gaps in our ability to explain nature with gods and demons and angels and disembodied spirits, although it's long since become obvious that we don't need gods of gravity or electricity or of the nuclear forces. We don't need gods to determine why and when it will rain or to give purpose to earthquakes and storms or to make it very important to the cosmos that we worship a certain god and avoid another or refrain from sleeping with the wrong people or obtain knowledge reserved for the gods.
Know then thyself, presume not God to scan;
The proper study of mankind is Man
What we see as energy and matter and time are properties of other phenomena, not results of conscious or unconscious entities that create and control them. We don't need to create them to explain what is otherwise explained by what we can demonstrate and we can demonstrate that random fluctuations of that fabric which manifests itself in all things can more easily do what the old consciousness needed to create entities to create.
Stephen Hawking's soon to be released book claims that existence explains itself, that there is no need to invoke entities for which existence contains no place and allows no properties to explain the spontaneous origin or virtual particles or indeed that tiny part of an infinite thing called existence. If indeed, current theory is correct, there are such an infinite number of conditions that can be called universes, inaccessible from one another, all our religions become absurd. In such isness, the creation of ever more universes is an inevitable result of the nature of is. No nebulous incorporeal entities need apply.
And in spite of pride, in erring reason's spite,
One truth is clear: whatever is, is right
M-Theory is hard to grasp. OK, it's damned near impossible, but as theories do, it predicts outcomes otherwise not predictable. Hawking has come to embrace it as it makes the singularities embedded in classical theories nugatory. It makes it unnecessary to postulate something existing before time that caused time to start, for instance. It makes it unneccesary to postulate the entire idea of anything before time.
"It is not necessary to invoke God to light the blue touch paper and set the universe going,"Hawking writes in the introduction. Indeed, it's no longer necessary to explain the tides, the winds, the orbits of bodies in space, lightening or the nearly infinite number of gaps in our knowledge in which gods once found refuge.
If there are no more gaps for our gods to hide in, no more firmaments to divide heaven and earth, what then will become of them? Perhaps we'll find him in the one place we have never looked. In ourselves. If universes can be self-creating by virtue of physical law, cannot we be self creating in terms of what we wish to be?
History says no, Glenn Beck thinks it leads to death camps, theologians trip over their tongues trying to show how even if there isn't a God or any place for him or anything he could do if he could -- there is a God. Personally I prefer the freedom of knowing nothing matters for very long; nothing a hundred billion years of time won't wash away. I prefer to think that only the free can be moral, only the mortal can be compassionate and only in our transience can we find glory.
In one of my favorite movies "The Ruling Class," Peter O'Toole plays the slightly insane scion of a titled English family. The character O'Toole plays believes he is Jesus, dresses in Franciscan robes, and carries a gigantic wooden cross with him to be used as his place of repose. Each night he "hangs" himself by way of protruding shelf-like pegs on which he rests his armsa and legs and sleeps on the cross to the astonishment of his Church of England Family. When asked by the family doctor, at one point, why he believes he is God, O'Toole answers simply: "Each time I pray to God, I find that I am speaking to myself."
ReplyDeleteThat is as good an explanation of what humans are doing when they pray. They speak to their better natures, asking themselves to tap into whatever inner strength they need to endure whatever challenge is before them--IMHO. When they seek a supernatural beings strength to see them through a crisis, I believe they are imploring themselves to find the courage to face what it is that troubles them.
When I was a kid a friend and I used to shut our eyes real tight and say to each other "Imagine that once there was no time there was no space, there was nothing, nothing, no thing."
I tried to imagine what that would be like. Alas, my poor limited brain could not. Perhaps our brains--mine anyway--is not capable of such an abstract idea, just like I cannot imagine 16 dimensions, or multi-universes, a singularity, or vibrating strings.
These are real mysteries and exciting subjects to contemplate.
As for Hawking's comment on the universe not needing a creator--that'll be what the chattering classes will choose to highlight out of all the other fascinating material in the book.
I've always said that science allows me to see the universe as astonishing and wonderous, whereas religion always made it appear small and mean.
No god that I've ever read about ever helped me apprehend the extraordinary world that science continuously reveals to me.
"I've always said that science allows me to see the universe as astonishing and wonderous, whereas religion always made it appear small and mean."
ReplyDeleteI agree, and so do many.
I think you responded to a draft of the post that somehow appeared before it was finished. The final I hope makes that more clear.
Yes, indeed, it's always profitable to stir people up by mentioning that one of the smartest men ever to be doesn't believe what you believe. I once read that his former wife divorced him because he was an atheist. Remember it's the atheists who are arrogant.
Capt. Fogg,
ReplyDeleteGreat post -- except, of course, that like most humans you're in denial about the existence and continued sway of the Dinosaur Gods.
Aside from that key issue, yes, I think it's quite true that knowledge about interstellar space is giving us ever more wondrous glimpses into just how vast and complex the cosmos are -- there's surely so much to know that we'll never know the greater part of it.
Captain Fogg - Perhaps we'll find him in the one place we have never looked. In ourselves.
ReplyDeleteWell done, Captain! Always a fascinating topic for a simpleton cephalopod. Your article also reminds me of a discussion thread that took place recently under Nance’s post, PP13B and The Skeptic's Question, especially this comment:
bloggingdino said - At base, religiosity may be an extension of an excess capacity for mystical experience – as a William Blake persona wrote, “all Deity resides in the human breast. (11:40 AM, August 09, 2010).”
It seems the speculative imagination is an innate property of human beings - starting with consciousness, self-awareness, survival, a need to understand the world, and how we conduct ourselves in human societies. Comparative mythologies teach us, not necessarily something about gods and demons or how the world was made, but certainly something about human preoccupations and psychology.
With respect to comparative mythologies, Joseph Campbell makes a case that we are reading subconscious messages sent by our ancestors about a fundamental human spiritual flaw. Whatever we call it - original sin, hubris, pride, narcissism - these are the source of all conflict, suffering and tragedy among human beings.
Frankly, I like these structuralist interpretations, and I don't care what Derrida says.
Derri-da? Derri-nyet!
ReplyDeleteI don't know the origins of the guilt and cringing fear that underlie most gods - perhaps it's because we're social animals who can't help but seek an alpha ape, but whatever. If you need something to be in fear of, Alpha dinosaurs trump them all.
I note that the "religious leaders" are already pumping out the defensive dung for their followers to throw at phantom atheists even in advance of Hawking's book. (never mind what that genius says, we know better - because we believe!) Why wait to read it when what you're defending is so fragile you can't tolerate the slightest doubt in anyone no matter how well founded that doubt. How pathetic the power of the "lord" that it has to cringe at the man in the wheelchair.
That reason is the enemy of religion was the most insightful thing Luther ever said. In fact the first lesson in Genesis is that it's wrong to seek to know and it seems we're mostly still horrified of knowing.
It's to the point where the freedom to believe they have a right to and that they demand cannot be extended very far beyond the limits of their own assertions. To explain anything differently than the myths do, instantly returns irrational accusations of all sorts and the nicest people will start thinking of stakes and matches.
It appears that the right to disbelieve itself is sufficient cause to write "under God" all over your car and look for infidels to burn.
Whatever the cause of our longing for gods ( and I think we all have it) it feeds our intolerance as few other things do.
I've been thinking a great deal lately about what I believe. It's never been simple for me. I attended Catholic schools from kindergarten to 8th grade. I think that I was in third grade when I had my first moment of cognitive dissonance. I wanted to know why all the unbaptized children had to stay in limbo. I kept asking why about many things over the years; I think that I disturbed the nuns as they struggled to answer the unanswerable.
ReplyDeleteI stopped attending mass regularly when I was 19, only dropping in when I was home for Christmas so as not to distress my mother. She was very devout and very certain. I always envied her certainty. She lived what she believed; she was one of the most generous people that I've ever known. She died on September 15, 2008. When my father found her on the floor, she looked very peaceful.
I think that I have trouble understanding the tension between belief and nonbelief because I've never felt that science and religion were different sides of the same coin. The notion of a God with a white beard waving a huge hand and creating the world in six days has never struck me as fact but as metaphor. The Bible isn't history nor is it science and to seek either within its pages is sheer foolishness. I think much of the perversion of all religions has come from making literal applications for what at best are philosophical and allegorical stories written by men, not God or Gods.
Perhaps that's why Hawkins' new book doesn't offend or disturb me. Science is all about logic and facts and provability. His works have always intrigued me. This new book contravenes the conclusions that Issac Newton proposed centuries ago about the existence of God, which seems rational. Over time, Science pulls back the curtain on what were mysteries for previous generations. The seemingly mystical becomes explainable based on science.
For all the atrocities that have been committed in the name of some religion or another, sometimes there are those who believe that their faith demands that they be responsible for the well-being of their fellow man. I don't think that religion is necessary to inspire a sense of moral responsibility for humankind but neither does it prevent one from doing so. It all boils down to what human beings choose to do, regardless of belief or nonbelief.
Ultimately what I cannot fathom is the fervor among the general populace in proving or disproving the existence of God. I don't see that Hawkins' book sets out to do that at all. He is a scientist and he has determined based on his knowledge of science that there is no need for a deus ex machina in order to jump start the creation of the universe. Regrettably, there are those who will take this as a personal attack on their religious beliefs and never devote any time to actually understanding Hawkins work.
What a waste of energies to go round and round on the same issue-there is a god, no there isn't-in a neverending loop. It seems to me that the focus needs to be on recognizing our collective responsibility to promote the well-being of us all.
SHERIA: "Regrettably, there are those who will take this as a personal attack on their religious beliefs and never devote any time to actually understanding Hawkins work."
ReplyDeleteAnd, of course, we'll hear the predictable "nonbelievers are so arrogant." Sigh.
SHERIA: "What a waste of energies to go round and round on the same issue-there is a god, no there isn't-in a neverending loop. It seems to me that the focus needs to be on recognizing our collective responsibility to promote the well-being of us all."
Yes. But it is ever so much easier to go round that loop than to actually do the work to promote that well-being.
"what I cannot fathom is the fervor among the general populace in proving or disproving the existence of God"
ReplyDeleteDo you think there is? I think there's a smokescreen for the purpose of making us think that's what's going on -- that religion is under attack from wicked rationalists and humanists. That fervor is as old as the renaissance if not older and of course it's always wrong. For my part, I'm not interested in disproving such a silly notion as the supernatural. It disproves itself.
the attack on Hawking has already begun and his book's not out yet. It doesn't need to be for the preemptive assault to begin and of course the assault troops will never read it anyway, nor could they understand it.
I don't think Hawking is anti-religious but is rather like me in being against being beat over the head with empty and peremptory certainties -- and science pretty much has proven beyond a shadow of doubt, that uncertainty is the basis of what we call existence.
I've always been fond of Buddhism. In general, it doesn't speak about things we don't know and can't know and the only salvation it offers is from the delusion that perpetuates suffering and that salvation has to come from within and that its essence is peace and that its place is right here and its time right now.
"As Steven Hawking says, it simply states that the suitability of Earth for life on Earth is self explanatory: any form of intelligent life that evolves anywhere will automatically find that it lives somewhere suitable for it."
ReplyDeleteThat one has always seemed self-evident to me. We clearly grew from and are creatures of this planet. So glad Hawking agrees.
I spend some of my blog time hanging out with the scientific types who wear the Scarlet A prominently displayed on their pages. I'm a fan of Shermer and Mirsky, of Dawkins and Dennett. They call themselves Skeptics or--gosh, I wonder why this never caught on?--"Brights."
That bunch drives the Inerrant Bible gang right around the bend. It's all just bread and circuses when the planet is in such danger. We haven't really got time for this much fun.
I've really given up on the idea that our species can progress much further and I doubt whether we can actually survive. A disease that kills its host generally does not.
ReplyDeleteAs you know, I'm a technophile, but I think it may be our undoing. I don't mean nuclear weapons or smog belching power plants or cars. I mean the enormous leap forward in the power to delude that communications technology has offered.