Wednesday, October 17, 2012

More of the same

Over 65% of respondents to the CNN poll so far this morning ( 10:15 EDT) say Obama "won" the "debate."  Of course it wasn't really a debate and nobody really wins because supporters always think their candidate did better whether he was lying or not.  I think Romney came off better than he should have, but then that's what a con man does.  A good flim-flam man makes the marks forget what he said or did ten minutes ago by sheer force of personality.  The truth just isn't as sexy and it's almost always harder to understand even for those few who try and I think Romney did as well as he could have in reassuring his minions that our current condition had nothing to do with the long standing Republican policies that caused it.  Did he do as well with his claims that his vague and not so honestly described "policies" would quickly restore the peace and prosperity of the Clinton era?  It remains to be seen.

Did Obama really stress adequately that Democratic policies, equally trashed by Republicans gave us unprecedented prosperity and near full employment or that virtually all our debt was acquired by Republican administrations preaching the same 'debt doesn't matter' idea and that  'slashing the upper brackets produces prosperity?'   No, but if the viewer doesn't see it already, he's not going to and the public is more dishonest with itself than Romney could ever be with us.

The fact check people of course, are suggesting that the fierceness of Mitt's assertions seem to correspond to their inaccuracy and mendacity, but again; fact checkers are to the cult members as liberally biased as is math itself and it won't change minds well trained to reject information from outside sources.  Perhaps Mitt's little tantrums about being able to talk over his opponent, or his foot stamping, infantile and dishonest demonstration about "government land" gives us a peek into his private self or at least a whiff of sulfur, but perceptive, informed and analytical people aren't really Mitt supporters in the first place.  Folders full of facts ( and the fact is that oil and gas production are way, way up despite the sluggish economy) can't outweigh the slick haircut, the the silver tongue and the polished art of the con.

So I'm not going to say who I thought 'won' this thing because I don't know.  I can hope that a sufficient number will be disgusted enough to go to the polls and vote. A large turnout usually favors the Democrats.

2 comments:

  1. Actually, in my never humble opinion, the debate as a draw. Both candidate scored and both candidates had their stretches and UN-truths. Fact check is a wonderful thing. If you can always believe fact check. I'm not sure.

    Anyway, Obama was much improved over debate #1 and Romney was on par with debate #1. The polls I'm looking at has Romney ahead at this point. We'll see. Next debate might be the clincher.

    Could go either way...

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  2. I think you can believe fact check and they generally give you the source of the data and it isn't Karl Rove or another Republican think tank of the sort Romney and Ryan call "independent studies." They pretty well agree with all the other news organization fact checkers as well.


    But yes, the opinion of the viewers, which is what matters, either side can claim victory. I think that's why these things don't really matter and why truth doesn't matter. It's usually about which side you identify with and people will defend their side like warring baboon tribes who don't seem to notice that both sides are baboons.

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