As guest columnist for a local newspaper (a Scripts
publication), I share the same opinion space with other local writers such as
Fay Vincent and Stanford Erickson.
Fay Vincent is best known as a former CEO of Columbia Pictures and
Commissioner of Major League Baseball.
Erickson is lesser known but thinks of himself as greater known (and
unassailable subject matter expert on everything). Now retired and resting on their laurels, Messrs. Vincent and Erickson are waaay past their prime -- and far more
reactionary than expected.
Here is the gist of my argument with them:
Selected from:
Examining the
role of religion in ‘the American Way’
by Fay
Vincent
I grew up in New Haven, Connecticut, as did Norman Lear, though I never knew him until I became the chief executive officer of Columbia Pictures. I had admired from a distance his pioneering work as the creator of such remarkable television shows as “All in the Family.
When he called me sometime in the early 80s and asked to see me, I was eager to meet him. I found him totally charming. He was easy to listen to because he was funny and self-deprecating.
Yet he made clear he had a serious purpose in mind. He told me he and others among his friends had become concerned about what they believed was a serious challenge to “the American way.” He asked me to help confront the threat. His diagnosis of the problem was briefly stated.
He and his associates believed it was wrong and dangerous for the growing number of conservative right-wing evangelicals to use their religious views to affect their political positions and voting. He proposed to combat the threat by setting up a new foundation he called “People United for the American Way.”
His new institution would raise money to try to persuade voters that political actions should not be linked to religious beliefs. He argued it was wrong for evangelical leaders such as Jerry Farwell, Pat Robertson and others to preach to their growing audiences that their vibrant Christianity should be used to elect officials who would be in a position to translate this religious fervor into government policies. Such policies would adversely affect what Norman termed “the rest of us.”
His fervor was apparent, and he argued his case well. When he paused, I asked him if he was Jewish.
“Are you kidding me?” was his reply, so I reminded him of the intense criticism directed by Jews and others against the Catholic Church for its failure to speak out during the reign of the Third Reich, as Jews were being so viciously persecuted. The church was pilloried precisely because, I claimed, it failed to link its moral and religious convictions to political action to defend those being so horribly mistreated.
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Our meeting ended gracefully, and I never heard from him again. His new foundation soon became a powerful liberal force in our political life. I thought of Norman when attacks were made on Dr. Ben Carson for his view that a radical Muslim who supports Sharia law would not have his support for president of the United States. Criticism of him centers on the belief that the American way is not to consider the religion of a candidate.
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The American Way is not to ignore religious beliefs, and Lear was wrong to argue such beliefs should not inform political activity. In my view, religious beliefs that would likely result in corrosive political policies should be considered by voters.
Even in a freedom-loving nation, policies wrapped in religious garb must be exposed. Dr. Carson was correct to contend some religious views must be disqualifying.
Recently, Erickson posted a letter in support of the above. Here is my reply:
Fay Vincent’s commentary (“Examining the role of religion in ‘the American Way’”) is hardly worthy of the word ‘treasure’ as Erickson claims.
I refer to Mr. Vincent’s hijacking of history to score cheap political points, and Mr. Erickson’s presumption that he -- and he alone -- is the true champion of the Jewish people, a champion more true and blue than any Jew:
Fay Vincent’s commentary (“Examining the role of religion in ‘the American Way’”) is hardly worthy of the word ‘treasure’ as Erickson claims.
I refer to Mr. Vincent’s hijacking of history to score cheap political points, and Mr. Erickson’s presumption that he -- and he alone -- is the true champion of the Jewish people, a champion more true and blue than any Jew:
“I asked him [Norman Lear] if he was Jewish. ‘Are you kidding me’ was his reply, so I reminded him … of the Third Reich, as Jews were being so viciously persecuted” (Fay Vincent, Oct 7, 2015).
“Something I do not understand is why Jewish poeple [sic] in this country do not understand that! [sic] when most Christians do” (Stanford Erickson, Oct 2, 2015).
Why am I so hot under the collar over these postings? I resent the implication that an honest difference of opinion means disloyalty towards Israel -- that Erickson can dismiss opposing viewpoints with such ugly derision. But first, a brief digression:“I am a strong supporter of the Nation of Israel. I am just surprised that some Jewish people are not” (Stanford Erickson, Oct 9, 2015).
Lost in the pages of history is a lesser known author, philosopher and college professor living in Prague when the Nazi army occupied Czechoslovakia. Few letters or literary works survive apart from anecdotal accounts handed down by word of mouth – until the trial of Adolph Eichmann revealed his fate. According to trial testimony, Eichmann ordered the SS to stop a deportation train headed for Auschwitz and execute by firing squad a 'nettlesome agitator for human rights’ aboard that ill-fated train. This 'nettlesome agitator’ was my great-grandfather.
The legacy of my great-grandfather does not belong to Messrs. Vincent or Erickson: It belongs to me.
Perhaps Messrs. Vincent and Erickson never experienced anti-Semitism: I have.
Perhaps Messrs. Vincent and Erickson find it incomprehensible and unthinkable for any Jew to defend the human rights of any Muslim: I disagree.
Messrs. Vincent and Erickson embrace the views of Ben Carson, a man who plays the Hitler card to advance his political agenda; a man who rationalizes the discriminatory treatment of Muslims – contrary to the letter and spirit of the Constitution; a man who trades on appeals to prejudice to discredit and disenfranchise an entire people. In short, Ben Carson represents the very opposite of what my great-grandfather lived and died for. The antidote for fascism is not demagoguery, pandering and more fascism.
Fay Vincent hijacks history and opportunistically trivializes the Nazi era – as if the Holocaust were Brand X breakfast cereal repackaged for an ugly purpose. Most especially, I resent Erickson’s self-righteously smug, sanctimonious, and repugnant attitude.
No wonder!“I never heard from him [Norman Lear] again” (Fay Vincent).
it incomprehensible and unthinkable for any Jew to defend the human rights of any Muslim: I don’t agree.
ReplyDeleteNor do I, of course. The problem as usual is with hazy categorical terms leading to equivocation. What does it mean to be a Muslim, or a Jew, or a Christian? You'll never get the same answer from any two people and of course the only definition that counts is that of the person involved.
It's stunningly stupid and an insult to anyone's intelligence to paint portraits with a broader brush than Marc Rothko and to make it a principle - and it's one of humanity's common conceits to present prejudice as principle. There are moderate Muslims and secular Muslims and atheist Muslims and it it's as absurd to use the Spanish Inquisition against a Catholic candidate as it is to use 9/11 against a Muslim like Keith Ellison or call Salmon Rushdie a terrorist.
But of course being a historical or traditional victim does not make one right, ethical, moral, decent, intelligent or virtuous, which is something constantly demonstrated.
(Days after I wrote this post, Erickson's letter of support on behalf of Fay Vincent was removed from the digital forum run by the newspaper. Why it vanished and suddenly reappeared again is unknown to me. Nevertheless, it gave me an opportunity to query Mr. Erickson - see below).
ReplyDeleteStanford Erickson: “I would trust well-meaning religious people — of every type — to know what is right more than someone who has never even thought God existed. I suspect Normal Lear is one of those.”
Ronald Reagan: “There you go again!”
Mr. Erickson,
Do you know Normal Lear well enough to know his innermost thoughts and beliefs? Is Normal Lear an atheist, as you claim? Or are you just making up stuff – again? Unless you have proof, you are defaming him. What gives you the right to judge him, or anyone? What makes you think all religious people are moral, and all atheists are immoral?
How conveniently you forget: Many of the worst atrocities in history have been committed by RELIGIOUS ZEALOTS: Inquisitions, massacres, pogroms, forced conversions under torture, religious wars, and centuries of anti-Semitism.
The U.S. Constitution says: “no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust” [Article 6, Paragraph 3].” But not according to Ben Carson: Scratch Muslims. Not according to Fay Vincent who agrees with Ben Carson: Scratch Muslims. Not according to you: Scratch atheists. Shall we now have religious test for everything … and put you in charge?
Are you so lacking in self-awareness that you cannot see your intolerance, pettiness and hypocrisy snarling back at you?
Normal lear?
ReplyDeleteWhen speaking of the blessings of Christian civilization, Sir Henry Rider Haggard asked the reader "How many of these blessings are due to Christainity as distinct from civilization??
Good question and my opinion would answer "damhned few." Weswtern civilization has progressed as Christianity has waned. examples of America's moral backwardness, from executions to slavery do relate, in my opinion, to it's anachronistic and atavistic religiosity.
"“I would trust well-meaning religious people — of every type — to know what is right more than someone who has never even thought God existed."
People believed Bernie Madoff. People trusted their children with priests. Religion of any type? Really? Thugee? The escape clause intended to forestall reference to religiously inspired evil is "well-meaning," but hat also makes the statement circular and nugatory because given schematically it says: "good people are good people" Seen as an equation that means the religion part factors out.and the statement means noting and nothing can be derived as meaningful from it in any way. Is this an attempt at deceit or simply religious double talk? I'd have to know whether he's well meaning, of course but I see little evidence for that.
Evil minded religious people give us no guarantee of well-meaningness, allowing Erickson to deny the examples of religious monsters we can cite, no matter how they abound. Much evil also sees itself as good, particularly if it derives from the divine and it's commands. There are more levels of bullshit here than you find on the floor of the Augean stables. I'm reluctant, for olfactory reasons, to dig too deeply into them. It's a tale told by an idiot.
"intolerance, pettiness and hypocrisy "
Few religions are tolerant and most notable in intolerance are the Abrahamic ones. The first "commandment" forbids tolerance of other gods after all. The rantings of most prophets center around the crime of tolerance for other gods and the certainty of massive and apocalyptic punishment for it as a way to demand obedience and submission.
Of course liberal Democracy and our constitution itself does guarantee the legitimacy of any opinion when one goes to the polls. If someone chooses not to vote for a candidate for any reason, ugly or not, it's his right. Let Carson vote for whom he will, but I won't be voting for him. We have a protected right to wrong thinking just as we have the right to call out their lies and hypocrisy (and a duty to tell them about it)
I wish I could press 'like' on a few of these comments, but there is no button, unfortunately. I'm not sure Mr. Vincent's original letter is a stalking horse, but Mr. Ericksons definitely was. There is a lot of behind the scenes comment and blog manipulation being done by the political parties, and throwing religious views out there to make people squirm is being done purposely to muddy the water. In the end, what is the political gain to be made from these kinds of convoluted messages?....following the money seems to be more explanatory and expository these days than to follow the relative significance of a particular hereditary belief....does the strength of the objection to other beliefs depend upon how much money is in play?
ReplyDeleteIf this were Facebook I would click the 'like' button here as well. I think religion and politics are one and the same, like the two faces of Janus, and of course both are about money and power.
DeleteThe way I see it: They are so full of self-conflated puffery, they forgot how to listen, how to learn, how to deal with people in mutually respectful terms. They have only one agenda - to preserve old established orders of the male, the pale, and the stale.
ReplyDeleteThey are angry and tendentious bores and attention whores. So I say: Let them stay angry; raise their blood pressure, burst a rivet, pound sand, break dishes, destroy the plaster, and give themselves a heart attack ... IOW, let them commit suicide by conniption fit. Demographics and time will sweep away their dust.
Do I detect some level hostility here? Tell us your true feelings.
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