Romney: Full of sound and fury and saying nothing of substance.
The first presidential debate focused on policy, not zingers to provide fodder for tomorrow's headlines. There were big, significant topics--entitlements, taxes and spending, the deficit, and education.
I wasn't enthused about Obama's performance but I didn't find his answers rambling as some are proclaiming; he actually said what he would do and why.
Romney spoke in negatives. He stated what he was not going to do but never said what he was going to do. For example he insisted that his proposed tax cut will not add to the deficit; however he never explained how a 20% reduction in each marginal tax rate, across the board, could be implemented without adding to the deficit Such a tax cut would result in a significant reduction in revenues and Romney's proposed tax plan also includes a $3 trillion increase in military spending, an increase that the military has not requested A decrease in revenues and an increase in expenditures don't add up to no increase in the deficit or as the President said, "It's math, It's arithmetic."
By the way, the President directly challenged Romney's assertions in clear, concise language:
"The fact is that if you are lowering the rates the way you described, governor, then it is not possible to come up with enough deductions and loopholes that only affect high-income individuals to avoid either raising the deficit or burdening the middle class," Obama said. "It's math. It's arithmetic."--ObamaI found it interesting that Romney's style was to claim agreement with Obama's policy on some key issues. Romney declares that he agrees that the financial industry needs regulation but wants to promote his own plan and wants to repeal the Dodd-Frank regulatory act. He alleges that he supports the version of Obamacare that he engineered as governor but finds fault with how Obama didn't obtain any consensus and shoved health care reform down our throats. He insists that he agrees that public education must be a key focus.
The question, which the President did raise, is why is Romney keeping the details of his alternative plans on these major issues secret? Are they too good to be true?
I don't think that the President hit a homer but neither do I think that Romney won. I'd call it a tie. Romney essentially said nothing except to parrot vague generalities about the need to get the country back on track with no specifics as to how he plans to do that. President Obama didn't go for the jugular. It's not the man's style and frankly I think that his approach is more effective in the long run. Attack and confrontation provide temporary satisfaction but folks eventually stop listening to someone who shouts a lot.
It's one debate. I'm not ready to dismiss Obama as ineffective. In 2008, he didn't walk to the same drummer as most presidential candidates. The odds were against him getting the nomination. He didn't shout and confrontation was not his style. He was measured and detailed in presenting his platform. Why would you expect this man to morph into the Godfather? I'm not certain as to why, but this president is often judged based more on who his followers want him to be rather than who he really is.
CNN claims Romney was "the clear winner" because he was more forceful. This kind of crap is the reason I'd like to see these cheeseball antics discontinued. Nobody changes an opinion, nobody comes out of them with a different opinion than he went into them and since they aren't anything like a real debate, there isn't ever anything like a real winner.
ReplyDeleteSo one forcefully lies and evades and one "wins." I don't need anything to remind me of just how horribly stupid, deluded and dishonest the American public is or how those characteristics are nurtured and cultivated by the corporate aristocracy and these slogan fests mean nothing. Hell people even claimed Bush "won"
The only thing for sure is that America loses.
Sheria,
ReplyDeleteWhat I always come back to at such moments has something to do with a certain connection between race in America and historical understanding of temporality and change: the pace at which things happen and the nature of their happening. I've seen in this president a different sense of time, "deep time," we might call it, and it's one that doesn't always seem to respond well to the demands of silly things like one-dimensional debates and instapolls. Barack Obama has some depth to him and to this dino's thinking, Mr. Romney really doesn't: he's a chipper salesman at a fancy car lot, or something like that: a creature of capitalist ideology and therefore a good promoter of that ideology.
There's more to "Obama" than that, and it isn't always going to be apparent to the public. He seems to trust that it will be made so, in time. I hope he's right -- that his generous assumptions about us turn out not to be off-base. I admit I don't have that much faith in the public, so I think what's needed here is some serious campaigning. With 30 days to go, subtlety isn't the thing, and the long sense of time is at a distinct disadvantage when it meets up with the hurly burly of shameless self-promotion.
dino, I share in your concerns about the ability of the public in general to appreciate Obama fully. I think that your analysis is right on target and agree that it behooves Obama to engage in some serious campaigning over the next 30 days.
DeleteWell Romney publicly disavowed a lot of the Ryan crazy talk but is this the real Mittens?
ReplyDeleteMore important, Obama seemed tired. He didn't seem to care. So either he's pulling a rope-dope, which is dangerous, or he doesn't have much left in the tank. The fringe right bull he's put up with for four years has to take a toll.
I think the president wins on substance as well. It is refreshing to read your note-taking. I think the idea that eliminating every loophole claimed by the entire business population of the U.S.A. would still not pay for his tax cuts was very strong. When they asked Romney what programs he would cut, he came up with the dog whistle about borrowing money from China. What a dick!
ReplyDeleteRomney was insufferable. I can well imagine how the next moderator will be preparing for his boorish behavior. I guess the public is conditioned to judge confidence and aggression as victory.
I can't wait until somebody does a youtube riff on just his facial expressions. Those beady eyes staring out of that big lantern head. That phony smile. I think Beale nailed it. He looked like he had just come off of some kind of bender.
Junior, "big lantern head" is the perfect description. Thank you for the laugh conjured by this image. Did he seem to blink more than is normal?
DeleteMy wife thought he looked like he was crying the first ten minutes or so. I don't think he liked being in a game where he had to play by somebody else's rules. I thought his expression was wild. He seemed a little bit more comfortable when he hit his stride. On the attack, taking control. But he was still very tense.
DeleteHe was sort of the antithesis of Reaganesque.
I'm sure he's as tired of the endless lies that there is no time to counter to an audience that really is only looking for an excuse to get rid of him. It's tiring to be president unless you're like W and work about 5 days out of the month.
ReplyDeleteSubstance doesn't win, bullshit rules. We're not going to be energy independent by leasing more government land either, but that's what Joe the Plumber wants to hear.
I reserve a bucketful of ink, AGAIN, for the mainstream media. Why must our media always choose winners and losers after every debate? Was the public informed in advance about the judging criteria, or does our media ad lib on the fly? So what ARE the criteria? Puffery over substance? Lies over truth? Gladiatorial combat over urbane exchange? (I thought voters were supposed to chose winners and losers, not the media).
ReplyDeleteSo the pundits claim Rmoney won the evening. However, I believe Obama will end up winning the week after the fact checkers are done parsing $mitten’s ignoble lies and impious deceptions.
About the fact-checkers doing their job, here is a case in point:
ReplyDeleteWall Street Stunned By Romney's Bank Comments
‘One such email, from a "New York" bank executive, said: "Doubt that most folks on Wall Street would have predicted that Romney would have taken the most direct shots at 'N.Y. banks' at this point. ... If he'd named names, it would have been his top five contributors.’
"The Swash Zone" has been included in the Sites To See for this week. I hope this helps to point many new visitors in your direction.
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