Today is the deadline for filing federal income taxes. Today is also National Tea Bag Day, a protest movement against … what? Taxes? Federal spending? Bigger government? One of my blogging friends may or may not be carrying his tea bags today, but big government is definitely on his mind. In a recent post on Why Government Expands, Open Minded Republican writes:
Largely, it really doesn't matter whether people believe in large government or not, because it will always expand regardless (…) The answer is much simpler and harder to address. People are elected to 'do something'. For the purposes of this discussion, what they are elected to do is irrelevant. It is the 'do something' itself that matters.Fair enough. Had the article contained the usual partisan attack clichés about “tax and spend liberals,” I would have rejoined: Republican administrations incurred $9 of the $11 trillion in sovereign debt … squandered away a trillion dollar budget surplus … and started the Iraq war on borrowed money. But Open Minded Republican framed his hypothesis in non-partisan terms. Have we progressed to the point where we can hold a reasonable and civil conversation without recrimination? Octopus should mind his manners, and readers may ignore these remarks.
Lets look at the merits of OMR’s hypothesis. The premise that government expands regardless of which party is in charge misses a point. In essence, OMR makes the expansion of government appear as if this were a naturally occurring phenomenon … like the expansion of the Universe after the Big Bang. In other words, OMR offers an entropy model as a fig leaf for polite discussion. Does a fig leaf constitute a viable hypothesis? There is nothing self-evident about the expansion of the Universe or government. Herein resides a problem of logic called the mystification fallacy, as defined by Octopus:
No matter how intelligent we think we are, or how diligent our method of inquiry, there will always be events and situations we do not understand. One response is to attribute supernatural or mystical causes to phenomena that are beyond understanding. Perhaps some events are truly random. Nevertheless, to assert that something is unknowable is to halt all inquiry, whether the thing is knowable or not. In every academic discipline, there is always an article of faith that states: Everything is potentially knowable.To rephrase the question, can we describe big government adequately in terms of spending, or deficits, or public debt as a percentage of GDP as if these were phenomena lacking cause and effect?
Perhaps the expansion of government has multiple causes depending upon where one looks. Sometimes government expands to mobilize for war or in times of economic turmoil. There are times when government spending is a natural consequence of prosperity, when tax receipts rise along with expectations, and strategic decisions are made about the future direction of the nation. No doubt, earmarks deserve a sentence or two, since there will always be stakeholders competing for a share of the public pie.
When our attention should be focused on the economy, is there a hidden card tucked inside the sleeve of OMR's argument? In other words, trickle-down versus trickle-up?
Every recession replays the same old drama. Business sheds workers when sales revenues decline. Nervous consumers spend less on goods and services … causing business to lay-off more workers. As fear cascades through the economy, the rate of contraction quickens and deepens. For this recession, the stats are grim: unemployment has risen 8.5%, the economy has contracted 6.5%, equity markets are off 40%, and credit has all but disappeared. Bottom line: when businesses and consumers can no longer bear the load, the stimulus of last resort is the federal government.
What are our policy options? Spend trillions of dollars on a stimulus plan, or lose the same trillions in falling tax revenues? Yes, that’s right. Local, state, and federal government will spend or lose trillions either way. Stimulus spending will increase public debt; doing nothing will accelerate the rate of economic decline. Given this Hobson’s choice, one wonders why we are even having a debate.
Yesterday, President Obama tried to address these concerns in a speech that deserved far more press attention. On the subject of bank bailouts, he says:
… whether we like it or not, history has shown repeatedly that when nations do not take early and aggressive action to get credit flowing again, they have crises that last years and years instead of months and months -- years of low growth, years of low job creation, years of low investment, all of which cost these nations far more than a course of bold, upfront action.On the subject of direct rebates to taxpayers, President Obama says:
… the truth is that a dollar of capital in a bank can actually result in $8 or $10 of loans to families and businesses. So that's a multiplier effect that can ultimately lead to a faster pace of economic growth.Finally, he speaks about strategic policies to secure a better future:
Number one, new rules for Wall Street that will reward drive and innovation, not reckless risk-taking; number two, new investments in education that will make our workforce more skilled and competitive; number three, new investments in renewable energy and technology that will create new jobs and new industries; number four, new investments in health care that will cut costs for families and businesses; and number five, new savings in our federal budget that will bring down the debt for future generations.Under the last administration, national debt doubled from 5.5 to 11 trillion dollars; yet, we have nothing to show for it. We still have a crumbling infrastructure, a broken healthcare system, and no national energy policy to make us energy independent. But we do have National Tempest in a Tea Bag Day for every Joe the Dumber who thinks he will someday make mega-millions, tax-exempt and Heaven-sent. Meanwhile, my “open minded” Republican friend wants to start a conversation without starting an argument. I welcome this conversation. Now, what do you want to talk about?
"Do something" does not mean to find new ways to spend, tax citizens, or to simply handle the growth of government.
ReplyDeleteIt should mean (for legislators) to find ways our government can be slowed and cut, while still providing services.
If the economy is robust enough, any amount of debt can be ignored. Our economy is in a slow down, yet our debts have never been higher.
Our economy will continue to be in a slow down, so we must cut our debt.
If we are to compete in the global economy, we will have to cut salaries (example-the new auto company union contracts) to be competitive.
Our lavish lifestyles will change, that will slow our economy.
Our biggest, selfish mistake was to allow an 11 trillion dollar debt build as politicians pandered to our "free lunch" attitudes.
Why are we no longer willing to pay, to be the best country in the World?
It it only takes money to solve a lot of our problems, lets start shelling out. We have gotten the free lunch, now it's time to pay for our irresponsibility.
As a confirmed political hack, I respect the ability of the right to spin issues and create hysteria over nonsense. I wish the Left did these things as well.
ReplyDeleteWe had our tea party in Quincy. Held in a taxpayer funded park. People used taxpayer funded restrooms and enjoyed taxpayer funded police protection and crowd control. When it was over may of them went to some fine establishments in our tax increment finance district. Or were shuttled acroos town on taxpayer funded streets to a taxpayer funded parking lot in taxpayer funded busses.
And a former mayor made a speech decrying government waste.
Time, if tax receipts are declining at the same pace as the economy contracts, and government is losing trillions either way, don't we at least want to have something to show for?
ReplyDeleteIsn't the time long overdue to fix our crumbling infrastructure, fix our healthcare system, and position ourselves for an independent energy future ... all in the name of stimulus spending?
Or do we want to keep repeating the same mistakes as we made in the past ... piling on more debt with nothing accomplished? Been there, done that.
Hmmm…. I agree that perpetual deficit spending is stupid, but who is this "we" who have been getting the "free lunch"? Most Americans probably don't get as much as they should from government, based on the large amount they pay for it. We pay an awful lot, and yet we don't have some really basic things that, it could be argued, we really ought to be getting for all that money.
ReplyDeleteThe kind of fervent anti-government sentiment that our April 15th "Teabagger" Revolutionaries betray only makes the problem worse since it discourages even an interest in government actually doing anything that helps anybody. Nope, just abolish gubmint altogether.
Anyhow, one reason why state and federal governments tend to expand consistently is that once a need is delineated and a collective response (a program, I mean) is generated to satisfy it, that program is likely to be continued in perpetuity. No doubt about it – Social Security and Medicare are fine examples. These are expensive programs that benefit millions in time of need, and I doubt that they will ever be scuttled. I hope they won't, anyway.
There is an inherent silliness in the argument that all expansion of government is bad: if the expansion involves a wise use of our collective resources to help one another, why would that necessarily be a bad thing?
I can easily agree with old-style conservatives that bigger government presents us with a dilemma, which reduces neatly to Acton's Law. The more responsibility we bestow upon our government, the more power over us we grant it. Power breeds arrogance and contempt on the part of the rulers, and alienation on the part of the ruled. Those of us on the liberal side of things shouldn't forget that, but the wisest response to this problem I believe, isn't just to denounce all government initiatives but rather to demand accountability and balance and to use our votes wisely. Maybe that's the burden of representative government and, more generally, of the upbeat Aristotelian notion that government is about helping citizens achieve the good life.
PUS (pardon me),
ReplyDeleteI am a liberal. I much prefer that my tax money go to people and improving our country, not corporations.
Either way, I'm frustrated by the people's thinking that we can spend 100 times more than we take in (tax ourselves).
dino,
The we is all of us who live in this country and pay in less than we spend. Especially those who vote for "No New Taxes" and watch our debt grow to 11 trillion dollars.
Citizenship is more than just voting. We (the American people) are responsible for the irresponsibility in our government.
I wrote a post on taxes yesterday which says more.
timetoo.blogspot.com
Time, I agree with you on the perpetual-deficit issue. It is insane to be always spending money we don't have. But utter fiscal responsibility, at the moment, will probably sink us altogether. Twas sometime a paradox, but the time gives it proof, to steal a line from Hamlet. If we manage to recover tolerably well, then it will be time to get back to something like sanity in our budgets. At present, we are pretty much through the looking-glass already.
ReplyDeleteAnother thing I would have us consider is that a lot of the problem has been caused not so much by ordinary people gone wild but rather by finance-sector types who gamed the system and benefited hugely. In essence, they have been allowed to loot the country. For this, I only blame the people to the extent that they voted for the dolts who let the looters get away with it all. A big increase in the debt has been caused by the need to shell out hundreds of billions, and perhaps ultimately trillions, to these schmucks.
Time: As we close schools, libraries, cut police and fire departments, cut social help programs, cut benefits and help for our soldiers, break financial promises we have made to our people, ignore our infrastructure needs......you can add your own favorite to the list. Still the cry is less taxes, less taxes.Time, I understand where you are coming from and do not disagree with your statement at least in principle.
ReplyDeleteIn 1993, when the country was in recession, former President Clinton promised to grow the economy and delivered on his promise. Before the end of his term, he turned a budget deficit into a surplus. The Bush/Cheney administration squandered away this surplus and doubled our sovereign debt.
In 1993, Clinton attempted to reform our healthcare system. Here we are, sixteen years later: Healthcare costs have metastasized into a cancer. There can be no return to full productivity and prosperity until the system is fixed.
Another case in point: How much is our current imported energy bill? When the recession ends and energy demand returns to normal, prices increases are inevitable. Do you doubt a return to $4 and $5 per gallon in the foreseeable future? And what will be the economic impact of another energy bubble? Most likely a protracted recession! Thirty-five years after the last energy bubble, why do we keep putting off investments in new energy?
My point: Economic stimulus and strategic investment spending can and should be one and the same. If we make investments in healthcare and renewable energy today, wouldn't we be better positioned to manage this debt tomorrow?
Of course, there is fear and panic among our people, and the demagogues are pandering to it for nefarious reasons. National Tea Bag Day is a diversion that threatens to derail this strategy … the worst mistake we can possibly make.
dino,
ReplyDeleteI agree, and blaming those for oversight is not the answer as President Obama said well, "Unfortunately these practices were not illegal."
But our elected representatives fostered the climate that allowed an irresponsible financial atmosphere that plain common sense could have warned us about.
PUS,
I get my Republican dig in here. Yes, it is the Republican financial philosophy that has caused the great part of our poor financial health.
I have posted another essay on taxes, this time by Robert Reich - it is up now.
I totally agree with you on health care.
On Saturday I will post an essay on how single payer health care can save our economy.
timetoo.blogspot.com
BTW, the abbreviation is "8pus." I am surprised folks haven't yet teased me about being in league with "Octo-Mom." Paleeeze. Most of my offspring get eaten.
ReplyDelete'fig leaf' - If I understand correctly what you meant by this, you believe my post was an oblique approach at discussing the desireability of large government. This is incorrect. I am not a subtle person. I meant exactly what I said, no more, no less.
ReplyDeleteRe the 'mystification fallacy' I believe you are missing the causal relationship I am proposing.
To make an analogy, if you build a house with a foundation on sand, the house will collapse. It may come appart at the floor, at the walls, at the ceiling. It may fall in the middle of the room. But the exact mechanism of the failure does not matter; the cause is building on sand.
To get back to what you are discussing directly here, I would say that the cause of the current problem is neither too much nor too little regulation of the system. The cause is poorly designed regulation of the system. In the mid-to-late 90's Sweden had almost the exact same collapse, with the most heavily regulated economy in the history of western democracy.
Its all nothing but fancy fallacy...
ReplyDeleteFirst off, as we pump money into our economy how much of the benefits of this stimulus actually stays in the United States? How much of it goes off shore to increase the living standards of Chinese?
Are we not, in truth, funding third world development?
At what point do we receive the benefit of this development in our own economy?
How much of the bailout of Wall Street went to foreign companies and foreign nationals?
We assume that we are going to capture 100% of the total benefit of the 'investment' that we are currently making sometime in the future.
Globalization has great benefit but it also has dramatic costs and we are in effect, paying the costs now while the benefit is being enjoyed in other countries.
I want to ensure that we have enough vision and foresight to plan to benefit from the expense of globalization now in the future.
Not real sure we are there yet.
Since economists seem to be sprouting up from the warm earth like daffodils this spring, I'm reluctant to inject my unprofessional opinions into this.
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What does any of this have to do with the destruction of British tea to prevent its being shipped back to England? It seems clear to me that these choreographed demonstrations are meant to promote confusion and argument over hypotheses, conjectures and faith driven opinions so that the Republicans can retrieve support for their rape of America from the jaws of democracy.
Shouldn't this be about how best to restore liquidity and relieve suffering and not about long term policies and grand magical theories of everything?
All I can see is the same axes being ground and none of them are getting sharper. We are playing into the hands of the people who will benefit from further collapse to retrieve the power and continue the policies that got us here. They have no interest in reforming the economic system or institutions at all and while we argue, they laugh.
OMR: 'fig leaf' - If I understand correctly what you meant by this, you believe my post was an oblique approach at discussing the desireability [sic] of large government. This is incorrect. I am not a subtle person.- - - - - - - - - - - - - - -An octopus is only subtle when camouflaged. Here are two forms of discourse:
ReplyDeleteExample 1:
Two children playing in a sandbox.
One cries: “Mommy, mommy, he hit me.”
The other says: “He started it.”
Example 2:
Two fledglings playing in a sandbox beneath sunlit fig leaves.
Neither example is a statement about the desirability of big government, but merely how we talk about it.
Capt Fogg,
ReplyDeleteI went to a tea bag party yesterday...
Not much to write home about; I figured if everyone who was receiving social security benefits, had kids in public schools, and or veterans were told to leave because they were moochers you would end up with about 50 people left out of 400.
The 50 were kooks...a couple wanted legalized drugs and most were afraid that the government was going to take their guns and then the abortion bunch.
On television most of them look like e filers who had already gotten their refund.
But, if you actually look at this whole Fox News/conservative crap, its just a bunch of people who DO WANT TO HAVE OTHER SUFFER.
They are angry and hurt and they want others to be angry and to hurt. They don't have much and they are scared that someone else is going to get something that they will not.
Check out conservative blogs and note how many of them started blogging this month...all saying the same thing and all instantly friends with each other...
Look at how Fox News has jumped right one the tea bagging party...they even got Cavuto off his fat ass and on the ground at a tea party.
Civil disobedience for no other reason than to be diobedient. A bunch of sore losers who love their country but hate democracy.
Go figure...
Yep - a bit like "rebel without a cause" only with without James Dean and with the whole country going over a cliff.
ReplyDeleteI have a feeling this "grassroots" thing has all its roots in Fox News Corporation.
I will never understand why it is more patriotic to spend spend spend on the military and scrimp scrimp scrimp on schools. Who are these people anyway? Who would rather break people down rather than build them up? Ugh. Priorities. Tea bags. Let them go to a shelter and make tea for the homeless and listen to their stories. Let those teabaggers get out of their little assumptions for a while and learn something that they didn't "know" before.
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