Wednesday, May 27, 2009

Torture, Cheney, and Spineless Democrats

First, the good news. Chicago-based conservative radio host Eric "Mancow" Muller underwent waterboarding in an effort to silence critics of the procedure by showing, once and for all, that it is not torture (no, that's not the good part). But, as it turned out, Muller decided waterboarding is torture. I'm thrilled for Mancow's revelation; hopefully his words rang true in the ears of torture excusers across the land.

Here's the video:



Now some more good news. A former 14-year interrogator thoroughly rebuked last week's remarks by former Vice President Cheney on torture. The interrogator has overseen more than 1,000 interrogations and conducted over 300 himself in Iraq, including the interrogation of Abu Musab al-Zarqawi. And guess what? He did it all using traditional methods - no torture. Here's the video (a quadruple-level, immediate must-watch):



And now even more good news (we're on a roll). General Petraeus has endorsed Obama's close Gitmo/no more torture decisions.

I have long been on record as having testified and also in helping write doctrine for interrogation techniques that are completely in line with the Geneva Convention. And as a division commander in Iraq in the early days, we put out guidance very early on to make sure that our soldiers, in fact, knew that we needed to stay within those guidelines.

With respect to Guantanamo. I think that the closure in a responsible manner, obviously one that is certainly being worked out now by the Department of Justice -- I talked to the Attorney General the other day [and] they have a very intensive effort ongoing to determine, indeed, what to do with the detainees who are left, how to deal with them in a legal way, and if continued incarceration is necessary -- again, how to take that forward. But doing that in a responsible manner, I think, sends an important message to the world, as does the commitment of the United States to observe the Geneva Convention when it comes to the treatment of detainees.
That's pretty staunch support from a very prominent military leader (and one who has been praised up and down by all manner of conservatives).

And now the bad, yet unsurprising, news. The Democrats are wimps. I know, I know. It's a shock. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, in particular, is a wimp. The Nevada senator reportedly led the charge against the bill to provide funding to close Gitmo out of a concern of appearing too "liberal". Reid is, justifiably, afraid of losing his senate seat. But maybe, instead of trying to play politics with issues as important as national security and torture, he should do his job. Just a thought. It is nothing short of astounding that even though the Democrats control both houses of Congress and the White House and have at their helm the most charismatic, pragmatic leader in a generation (that being Obama) they are still bowing to Republican ideology at every turn. Furthermore Obama has already paved the road for them by taking very early stands on torture and closing Gitmo. All they have to do is follow. Yet they are completely inept at doing even that. Someone mentioned to me the other day that the Democrats are still acting like their in the minority (and the Republicans, unfortunately, think they're still in the majority). Mr. Reid, grow a pair or get out.

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Originally posted at The Political Panorama.

10 comments:

  1. Amen to that and he is my senator! It is the epitome of those late game NFL prevent defenses that invariably lose the game on a final late drive.

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  2. Thank you for cross posting this, Brian. While I think most people are kind of sick to death of the torture debate, I think the implications of condoning and trying to justify torture needs to be front and center because it is that important to who we are and what we stand for.
    As signers of the Geneva Conventions, the United States took a stand, in part:

    "Noncombatants, combatants who have laid down their arms, and combatants who are hors de combat (out of the fight) due to wounds, detention, or any other cause shall in all circumstances be treated humanely, including prohibition of outrages upon personal dignity, in particular humiliating and degrading treatment. The passing of sentences must also be pronounced by a regularly constituted court, affording all the judicial guarantees which are recognized as indispensable by civilized peoples. Article 3's protections exist even though no one is classified as a prisoner of war."

    We are either people of our word or we are not. We cannot be the champions of human rights around the world while abusing the human rights of others in our jurisdiction.
    The argument that torture is legal is patently ridiculous. The eighth amendment to the Bill of Rights clearly prohibits the use of cruel and unusual punishment.
    Not matter how you spin it, the words remain the same.

    We will be a nation that honors and upholds our ideals and integrity or we will be a nation of lawless thugs.

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  3. Right on rocky.

    This really isn't complicated. The Constitution and the Geneva Conventions are clear. It's difficult to admit we were wrong and even more difficult to bring about justice, but we have to do it.

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  4. Shaw Kenawe asked permission to post some comments of mine on torture. The guest post appears here.

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  5. Just read the post 8pus - excellent points. It's all so sad as to be practically debilitating. How could we have done such awful things?

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  6. "We will be a nation that honors and upholds our ideals and integrity or we will be a nation of lawless thugs."

    I think we already are and I think that a good part of the world agrees and I blame the bastards who insist we have nothing to apologize for and anyone who doesn't support us in whatever we do is the enemy, and that has been public policy for nearly a decade.

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  7. Fogg - we have become, to some extent, a nation of lawless thugs; fortunately the idea of America is still a powerful one. I agree completely that we really have to bend over backwards to return to our true selves. I certainly hope our recent thugishness is an aberration that can be blown away if we repent, but boy do we have a lot of repenting to do. Best we get started.

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  8. lol. I mean the nation. I'd say the people on this blog are doing their part - though I'm always trying to find a way to make more of a difference, to convince people of the need to repent. Too few people recognize torture as the despicable degradation that it is.

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